can do that and i think he's hijacking these tragedies to say we're going to invest more power in the state and take guns away from law abiding citizens, who feel autonomy when they have them. >> megyn: even if you think that's barack obama's motivation and even if you believe that. >> yes. >> megyn: what would be his motivation for not doing more about the mental health system? i tell you others have come on this program and said it's just overwhelming, i mean, where do you begin? the amount of resources it would take. it's so catastrophic, the state of the mental health system and problems we had to fix, you don't know where to start. >> well, i mean, if i was myself, i would say because psychiatry empowers people, so, if you can take their guns and sense of independence, why would you talk with them, give them back their mental well-being. they're stronger now. it seems the president is intent on in some ways weakening individuals. >> megyn: oh, come on. >> no, i really think that. it's also a complicated issue because if you really want to do the work and not just pontificating and grab